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They say on the bottle that it’s a blend so I don’t think this is that infuriating. Though if I saw “Texas Honey Blend” I’d assume it’s cut with crude oil.
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It’s a blend of honey and high fructose corn syrup, what in the ever living fuck is high fructose corn syrup doing in honey? Oh, making more profits by cutting it.
Death to high fructose corn syrup
What in the hell? You think this is ok? A honey blend implies a blend of…wait for it… different HONEY.
Not a blend of super cheap and super unhealthy syrup.
I have news for you if you think there is a health difference between a teaspoon of corn syrup and a teaspoon of honey. They are both packed full of sugar
But honey is natural, corn syrup has chemicals in it!
Only in America.
OK maybe not, but at least here it’s illegal to label it honey if it isn’t 100% pure honey. that goes for all of EU, where it’s illegal to add sugar, according to the EU honey directive.
The result is that you buy either Honey or Syrup, you know what you get, and you get what you pay for.Edit:
Apparently it’s illegal in USA too, whether adding the word “blend” makes it legal IDK. It is sort of a warning sign but still misleading.
You have to label the honey with the ingredients it is blended with as well in the US. So for this it would need to be “Blend of Honey and High Fructose Corn Syrup”.
You have to label the honey with the ingredients it is blended with as well in the US.
Nonono, that’s a huge difference, in EU it’s ILLEGAL to call it honey at all, you cannot call it honey blend either. And it’s not enough to label that there is sugar added. If you add any amount of sugar it’s not honey but sirup.
Good for y’all.
Shh mate you’re going to ruin the Euro circlejerk.
Remembering bees get fed corn syrup, started reading & wow:
Honey adulteration using HFCS was especially rampant in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when it was virtually impossible for regulators to determine that honey had in fact been adulterated (in some cases up to 80%) with HFCS. This practice was so epidemic that the American Beekeeping Federation developed a program of testing suspect honey samples sent in by beekeepers. This was only possible, however, through the efforts of Dr. Jonathon White, who literally came out of retirement to develop a reasonable testing procedure.
I was permanently banned from the Reddit sub without recourse for posting this
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You’re sure it wasn’t for… other reasons?
I’m okay with the product itself existing. I mean blah blah Americans put corn syrup in everything sure, you’re allowed to buy honey and you’re allowed to buy corn syrup, you’re allowed to mix them in your own kitchen, I’m okay with this substance being allowed on the store shelf.
“Honey Blend” strikes me as one of those FDA required weasel phrases like “processed whey product” or “beef-related substance”. You don’t usually see the word “blend” on a honey bear bottle, says something’s up.
The ingredients are plainly listed.
The nutrition facts are not; you’d have to lick a stamp to learn them, which I hope isn’t legal.
I live near by this area. I also buy honey from Kelley’s regularly, but have never seen this abomination. The honey they sell around here is 100% grade a raw unfiltered. It also has nutrition information on the bottle.
Wait, why can’t you feed it to Children under one?
Some type of bacteria they’re not ready to handle yet?Correct. Infant botulism can result from bacteria in raw honey that is otherwise harmless to anyone with a developed immune system.
At first I was like “yeah doesn’t everyone know that?” And then I realized that I didn’t know that until I had kids.
At least it’s labelled. Better than China sneaking sugar syrup into the supply chain without being open about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/food/2023/mar/26/uk-honey-fails-authenticity-test
I would guess the ban came from an overzealous application of the “no personal info” doxxing rule, because that pic has an address on it which is technically a company address, but there ya go, that’s my guess. I was banned once for something similar.
I was permanently banned from streaming (had thousands of followers at the time) for animal abuse after asking another streamer if they milk their goats, then I was permanently site banned for harassment after arguing with them about it. Don’t give me an excuse to get started.
Name checks out.
Yeah with a name like that they’re going to be judged more harshly.
Once I noticed the name I blocked them. Something is wrong with them to think a name like that is okay, and I don’t care to find out what that is.
Honey is a commonly faked food. At least they label it so you can avoid it.
At least they label it so you can avoid it.
But they call it honey blend, which implies it’s a blend of honey from different sources.
This would absolutely be deemed misleading advertising here.In the USA, it’s recommended to label it as “Honey with corn syrup” (PDF: https://www.fda.gov/files/food/published/PDF---Guidance-for-Industry--Proper-Labeling-of-Honey-and-Honey-Products.pdf) but that’s just a recommendation, not a law. The FDA should get stricter about this.
The FDA should get a hell of a lot stricter in general, but decades of political fuckery has made it simultaneously rife with corruption, permanently understaffed and critically underfunded.
The FDA is pretty much in exactly the condition that Republicans want for all regulatory agencies.
Hmm that would be illegal in the EU and UK, where nutritional info and proportion of honey would be required.
Quite tempted to write in though. Anyone else?
It is also required in America. The FDA requires it except for small business. Also the EU wouldn’t even let this have the word “Honey” in the name at all. I’d assume that the retail business above doesn’t reach the threshold of 500,000 so can request for an exemption of nutritional labeling.
Okay, this is the line that should not be crossed, we should evict Texas.
*eject
I’m seeing the nutritional value thing, but I don’t see what the other comments are talking about…
It’s not honey, it’s high fructose corn syrup
Technically since honey is listed first it should be at least mostly honey, as in 51% or more. But it is probably mostly corn syrup and the phrasing is intended to discourage lawsuits that would lead to anyone checking the ratio.
Which is really bad since only needing to be 51% of the thing is a pretty low bar in the first place.
If it’s not just honey, it’s not honey. Therefore it’s HFCS
Surely that logic would work the other way around as well…
ITT: a bunch of stolen bee vomit fetishists. Why pay so much money for something weird, gross, and every bit as unhealthy as sugar and corn syrup? Maple syrup (while also unhealthy) tastes way better. And date sugar, whole blended dates, or molasses are healthier alternatives.
The notion that you can steal from bees is unhinged lmao
What’s unhinged is people who think they have the right to confine, torture, exploit, rape, murder, and devour the flesh and/or secretions of other animals just because they’re different.
Yeah I get that bugs are easy to dismiss because they’re tiny, often obnoxious and treated like a nuisance, and less intelligent than other animals. But we’re still talking about living beings who have their own subjective experience of life, individuality, and their own agenda. Like all animals they came into this life with us, not for us.
Commodifying living beings is unhinged. And even ignoring the moral side of things, having a preference for bee vomit is unhinged.
Oh, look, it’s a walking vegan cliché. People like you are why people hate vegans. Save your anger for actual animal abuse.
Oh look, typical carnist cliché is getting offended because someone criticized the weird shit you do.
I didn’t see anyone else pointing out how bizarre it is to fetishize bee puke.
And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they’re at least “pretty good people”, and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you’re offended, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror.
Or maaaaybe you just enjoy the smell of your own farts a little too much…
>And people hate vegans because most people want to believe they’re at least “pretty good people”, and the very presence of a vegan challenges that belief. If you’re offended, maybe it’s time to look in the mirror.
is this even provable? has anyone ever said that’s why they, themselves, hate vegans?
There is science behind it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPE5q92JuWc&pp=ygUZd2h5IGRvIHBlb3BsZSBoYXRlIHZlZ2Fucw%3D%3D
has anyone been able to replicate any studies on this?
I am just going to respond to all of your other messages here, because it’s the same answer: it is not my job to educate you. YOU are the one who is continuing to live in a way that’s morally repugnant. What you are doing is directly supporting a system that is routinely putting billions of lives through a real life hell - their entire existence is suffering - only to be butchered at the equivalent of an adolescent or juvenile age. What you are consuming is the traumatized remains of beings who were basically children, who were confined as part of a perpetual holocaust that’s being conducted at an unprecedented scale. They committed no crimes. They are completely innocent. And you abuse them anyway, and mock the few people who try to undo this injustice.
That’s not even getting into the devastating health effects of consuming animals, or the wanton destruction of the environment and greenhouse gas emissions that go with it.
Do you count yourself a leftist, or in any way oppose the fascist republicans? Well the animal ag industry is one of their primary sources of revenue, and meat and dairy consumption is central to the white nationalist identity. Non-vegan leftists are not leftists at all, because you can’t even bring justice to your own dinner table, and you are directly paying the fascists every day.
It is YOUR job to get educated, and get right.
>YOU are the one who is continuing to live in a way that’s morally repugnant.
false
> What you are doing is directly supporting a system that is routinely putting billions of lives through a real life hell - their entire existence is suffering - only to be butchered at the equivalent of an adolescent or juvenile age.
another lie
>you abuse them
another falsehood.
>it is not my job to educate you.
it’s your job to support your claims
>you abuse them anyway, and mock the few people who try to undo this injustice.
where did i mock anyone?
>Do you count yourself a leftist, or in any way oppose the fascist republicans?
kind of hilarious that you think the republicans are fascist but you didn’t mention the democrats
>What you are consuming is the traumatized remains of beings who were basically children, who were confined as part of a perpetual holocaust that’s being conducted at an unprecedented scale.
this is purely appeal to emotion. it’s not even true. it’s not a holocaust.
> They are completely innocent
you can’t be innocent without moral agency. are trees and rocks innocent, too?
>That’s not even getting into the devastating health effects of consuming animals, or the wanton destruction of the environment and greenhouse gas emissions that go with it.
this is a non sequitur. it reads like you’re grasping at straws
> meat and dairy consumption is central to the white nationalist identity.
so is breathing. i’m not going to give that up just because bad people do it, too
No, he is speaking how he imagines things are. Vegans, like everyone else, can be great people or horrible people. No illusions there.
No amount of veganism makes them better humans.
It’s always good for a laugh when a vegan thinks like this though
Because of you I just had two slices of bacon and two eggs for breakfast, how does that make you feel? I’ve also got at least 15 chicken wings and drumsticks in my fridge and a couple racks of beef ribs, along with several wedges of hard and soft cow cheeses. How does that make you feel?
And how about if I decide to go out with my cousin this fall to hunt a few animals in the most painful and excruciating way possible, prolonging their death for the thrill of the hunt?
And? You’ve already demonstrated that you’re a psychopath (and probably have heart disease and diabetes as well). Are you so weak that you need to murder defenseless animals to feel good about yourself? How about you take a screenshot of this exchange for posterity. Maybe someday if you ever have the benefit of a moment of clarity, you can look back at it and cringe at yourself.
Other than that, fuck off. Psychopath.
Suggesting molasses as an alternative for honey lmao
The point is that virtually anything is a better alternative to honey.
