• red_pigeon@lemm.ee
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      6 months ago

      Not sure if you are talking about your country or generalising all over the world. What you said is not true where I’m from, if the latter.

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        We’re (American’s specifically, but I see echoes in westernized European countries) propagandized into thinking angst is the natural state of teenagers rather than the natural state of teenagers within this specific system. I think teens can just more clearly see the brutal society they’re about to be forced into and don’t have the cognitive dissonance of benefiting from that brutal society yet.

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    Not going out and interacting as freely with people paying direct attention to one another leads to heightened mental issues? Shocking.

    I grew up in the 80’s and we were super fucking social. Anyone that didnt live it cannot grasp how far we have fallen from what we once had, and we had no idea how good we had it.

    Not to mention everything is being recorded to haunt every kid there is.

    I feel read bad for modern day kids, my daughter included. An important aspect of humanity has been lost.

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      6 months ago

      That’s not a phone issue, that’s a place issue. Where can your daughter go (without needing to drive) to hangout with friends? Can she conceivably walk there? Can her friends? I’ve been hearing my entire life that I just need to go outside and Bla Bla Bla but I don’t have anywhere to go. The closest park is a good half hour walk and now there’s even sidewalks! How pleasant. There’s nowhere for children outside, it’s nigh impossible to walk anywhere and it’s not like your parents would let you anyway since there probably isn’t even sidewalks the whole way.

      For perspective I live a very reasonable 10 minutes walk away from the elementary school I went to. I think you’ll agree that’s a reasonable distance for at the very least the older kids to walk. However it took them till I was a senior in high school before they put in the side walk. You literally couldn’t get to the elementary school on foot without walking on the side of the road for ~4 minutes. Even now the experience is awful and the crossings are unsafe. This is the world us phone kids grew up in. It’s not that we don’t want to go hangout in person, there’s just nowhere to go and by the time people can drive it’s far too late.

      Also the high school is about 40 minutes walk, there’s even sidewalks the whole way (now (only on one side))! It’s an awful experience as there’s absolutely no shade and about half of it is down a stroad.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I was mentally ill as a teen in the 1980s though I didn’t get diagnosed (that I know of — the US paychiatric sector tells minor patients their diagnoses much less often than they tell their adult patients.) until my twenties.

    However all the reasons that I thought that might contribute to my melancholy, my delerium, my outrage, my hopelessness and my suicidality were valid. I might have been prone to major depression due to heredity and early-life family dysfunction, but school life was downright toxic and hostile. And then I was expected to learn the curriculum.

    US schools are still about as conducive to education and healthy development as a toxic waste dump. This is not a place of honor. No esteemed are buried here. etc. We’re still blaming other things for the same reason we blamed Doom for Columbine and attributed delinquency to Elvis. We just don’t want to admit how much the establishment shortchanges its children.

    Considering society’s ongoing response to the climate crisis, we just can’t find a single, solitary fuck to give.

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    I daresay if young people could afford a home, a car, a family, and had some disposable income, free time, and any fucking prospect of a satisfactory life then they’d be a lot less depressed.

    I don’t think social media is particularly good but it’s far from the worst problem facing young people today. The “phone bad” crap is just a lazy cop out.

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      While you have a point you might consider what little free time young people have is largely spent on social media full of dark patterns and negative feedback loops and/or gaming stuffed with gambling. One does not detract from the other problems you outline. “Phone bad” holds true as long as these big corporations insist on regulating themselves when all they do is feed people propaganda to keep anything from changing.

  • UndulyUnruly@lemmy.world
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    TLDR, less nuanced:

    Several meta-analyses and systematic reviews converge on the same message. An analysis done in 72 countries shows no consistent or measurable associations between well-being and the roll-out of social media globally. Moreover, findings from the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development study, the largest long-term study of adolescent brain development in the United States, has found no evidence of drastic changes associated with digital-technology use. Haidt, a social psychologist at New York University, is a gifted storyteller, but his tale is currently one searching for evidence.

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      6 months ago

      Blaming teenage mental illness on social media feels to me like the boomers are trying to find a different scapegoat than all the factors caused by their own stupidity, greed and destruction of human habitat.

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      6 months ago

      Odd when we are also reading how studies are showing increased levels of depression and suicide. Which lie do we believe? I’ll just go with what I see happening with my own eyes and experience then.

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        This piece isn’t saying there is no increase in depression and suicide. In fact, the whole premise of the article is that by blaming screen time we might be missing the actual cause of the issue (increase in depression and anxiety) and thus doing our children a disservice.

        I would suggest that before trying to decide who to believe, you actually listen to their argument and evidence first. Instead of just thinking that your own perception of the world is perfectly objective and not anecdotal.

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    6 months ago

    Kids used to grow up playing outside and getting slapped by their parents when stepping out of line.

    Now they’re grown inside social media isolation bubbles and eventually meet the real world, leading to mental illpreparedness.