• tomi000@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    48
    arrow-down
    25
    ·
    1 year ago

    How is fascism a result of capitalism? It would exist just the same way without capitalism.

    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      57
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      The argument is that as more people are harmed by capitalism and realize it’s flaws, the more likely the ruling class is to embrace fascism rather than let their ill-gotten gains slip away from them.

      Definitely clumsy here, but I can make sense of it.

      • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        I mean, yes, but you should understand that when the creator of this meme wrote “capitalism” they really meant “liberalism” but didn’t want to scare the normies.

        It’s not just about the ruling class, it’s about uncertainty leading people to look for “strongmen” to provide direction and certainty, no matter how false it is, creating the popular support needed to overthrow democratic institutions.

        • FaeDrifter@midwest.social
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Strongmen like Lenin and Stalin who provided direction and certainty in uncertain times?

          Or a strongman like George Washington?

          • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            1: Anarchists and democratic socialists literally coined the term red fascism to describe Leninism.

            2: Your examples all overthrew the rule of absolute monarchies, neither of which was quite exactly capitalist thanks to the owner class often being nobility.

            3: Leaving aside for the moment that post-colonial America would absolutely be considered fascist by modern standards, even as its existence began to solidify the ideology of liberalism, I don’t think the meme is literally stating liberalism becomes fascism the moment it stubs its toe.

            If anything, based on the characters used, it implies the fight over institutional power as the fascists try to seize control.

            And, ironically to authoral intent I assume, Superlib there would absolutely body Homelander lol

      • FaeDrifter@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        Still doesn’t make much sense, fascism is a populist movement.

        It would make way more sense if it said Feudalism instead. Keep the peasants in line with your armed militia class, eventually murder-robots. The peasants might be miserable, but they’re going to work the land because that’s they’re only choice to survive.

        • ImFresh3x@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Re robots

          We won’t need them to work the land. And we will starve them as they’ll no longer be needed. There will be two classes. The ruling class, and the maintenance class. And it’s timing is perfect considering that in about 100 years every population model says humans will go from 10 billion to less than 1 billion as quickly as our population grew. And it will coincide with extreme scarcity due to climate change. Unless we start nuclear war first, of course.

          • restingcarcass@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            Can you link a model supporting your statement? I wasn’t able to turn anything up showing a predicted population decline from 10 billion go 1 billion.

    • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Neoliberalism is agnostic to the form of government so long as profit keeps moving. Business is still done in the worst countries. And that keeps capital voting with their wallets for an increase in evil.

    • unnecessarygoat@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      While fascism can exist without capitalism. when an unrecoverable economic crisis happens under a capitalist country and the system is not challenged, instead minorities like jewish people or immigrants take the blame

      • tomi000@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        I dont think that is generally true. It may have happened in the past and may also happen in the US, but the opposite can happen with people turning to socialism like in many countries. In times of crisis people turn to extremes, but that doesnt mean it has to be fascism.