casey is remote

@JoYo @ModdedPhones Pretty much all evidence points to the contrary

@Hexorg I agree, to a degree. Generally I support federation without cooperation, if that makes sense. The sole purpose of federating with #Meta should be to get people to leave #Meta.

@Hexorg Hmm IDK. I disagree on moderation, I don’t think any #Fediverse admin would trust #Meta enough to use their software for moderation.

The only case I could see for something similar happening is if #Meta forked existing software, added features people wanted, and then closed the source; but admins won’t take kindly to that either.

Now, maybe if people start moving away from #Meta’s #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads, then those reports will start to pile up, but that’s a net negative for #FaceBook in terms of userbase, not a net positive.

If I was #Meta, I wouldn’t be making server software, I’d be making a custom client with embedded ads to monetize the content from other folks’ content. Which could actually lead to an “embrace, extend, extinguish” situation, much more likely than what #Meta is doing right now.

@Hexorg

> Lemmy is small so it gets more feature requests than it can code up.

Why? From who? Are a lot of #Meta users who are on #Project92 / #Barcelona / #Threads *really* going to be submitting feature requests for a software that they don’t use?

> Meta comes in and looks at the most requested feature that’s been put on lemmy’s backlog. Let’s say it’s some mod tool. Maybe even AI mod tool that sorts comments based on sentiment analysis.

What are the chances that this is something so significant that people would be willing to switch software over it?

> use lemmy and face flood of trolls in their communities

Where are these users coming from? This is already a problem on the #Fediverse, and we already know how to deal with it.

This scenario you’re pitching seems wildly implausible.

@jherazob I care more about the effects than intent in this case.

#Meta’s #Threads / #Barcelona / #Project92 doesn’t have the ability to do anything actually negative to the #Fediverse except potentially overload small instances with a flood of traffic.

I don’t get the fearmongering; lots of talk about “breaking the #Fediverse” coming from people who aren’t really doing a good job of articulating how exactly a new #Fediverse software–because that’s all this is at the end of the day–will break an entire network of software that already works with each other.

@jherazob The #Meta situation isn’t comparable to the #XMPP situation though

@jherazob

what the heck makes you think that all the #Fediverse users are just gonna leave for #Meta because federation with it is “annoying”? lol

@MyMulligan @jherazob I disagree.

I think the key thing is to just make sure that you don’t use non #FOSS clients. #GoogleTalk started as a client for #XMPP, people migrated to it, and then #Google dropped support for #XMPP. If so many people didn’t use #GoogleTalk, the #XMPP network would have remained unimpeded.

@fu @GizmoLion @1337tux @DerWilliWonka @TheAngryBad I’m not on board with the selling part tbh, but I like the bot idea, it worked for #Reddit like the guy said

@GizmoLion @1337tux @TheAngryBad @DerWilliWonka I am on board with this

@CalcProgrammer1 @diemunkiesdie That sounds dope! What’s it called?

@nlm @Barbarian Yes, me and @sj_zero have been having lots of trouble getting #Kbin to federate properly

@liaizon @technology That’s pretty dope. I’ll have to test that on my end!

@liaizon @technology I didn’t know it was possible to post to #Lemmy communities from the #Fediverse, that’s awesome!

@TheOneCurly I’ve been noticing massive #Kbin federation issues, even from the small instance that I’m on, kbin.projectsegfau.lt

@Nikokin @rysiek I haven’t been able to get federation between #Kbin and #Lemmy to work, and I’ve been testing between two small instances, not the big overloaded ones.

@dirtmayor Now that’s just stupid. And I generally like the guy.

@legion Hmm. I would challenge anyone to go to mstdn.social for example and show me the onboarding friction.

Signing up for an account on a #Mastodon instance is quite easy, if you’re doing so through the browser and go directly to the instance you want to join

@legion @TendieMaster69 Are you onboarding using the browser or using the official #Mastodon app? Onboarding online is a lot more understandable than onboarding in the app IIRC

@RandomBit @jmcs I prefer #Matrix.

I don’t find #Signal or #Telegram (which is worse, it’s basically a honeypot) to be particularly secure, but I don’t see anything other than something like those platforms catching on with the masses as a sort of #USA-centric #Whatsapp-style replacement for text messaging.

Both #Apple and #Google need to come up with a consensus on the successor for #MMS, or else I could see another platform or app replacing both.