• Skull giver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl
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    9 months ago

    RCS is controlled by GSMA, not Google. I’m sure they’ll welcome Google’s extensions, but Google doesn’t get to decide.

    Google can try to do the same thing they did to XMPP, but then they get the same “Androids don’t receive our pictures” problem that’s driving teenagers to buy iOS in the USA in the first place.

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      9 months ago

      Specification may be not controlled by Google, but the single available client implementation is controlled by Google and almost all carriers are delegating managing their RCS servers to Google.

      While XMPP or Matrix server you can host even on your LAN network between two computers.

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          9 months ago

          Apple can implement RCS, but what then? Currently people not using Apple approved device in US can be marginalized. After RCS people not using Apple or Google approved device are going to be marginalized. And they both have wide requirements in order to be approved, recently Google started requiring Play Integrity check. So no RCS after you get rid of YouTube app for example.

          This is the same discussion all over about defaults like if this was LibreOffice vs MS Office debate.

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              9 months ago

              If you did root your phone, you can turn RCS back on with the standard Magisk hiding procedures

              I really do not want to use hacks like that in order to send a text message.
              It reminds me of the:

              • Voting in elections now requires buying a Big Mac and having receipt for verification, I don’t want that.
              • No problem with that, just ask a friend to buy it for you. Or you can just fake

              A messaging standard that requires carrier, phone modem and phone operating system all implementing in order for it to work is outdated mindset from the era of flip-phones. We have Internet now, which allows sending any data to any device and we have installable apps that can send anything through it. Implementing an awful and already outdated standard in a most user freedom unfriendly manner just to replace even more outdated standard is not great.
              Imagine if Google now started promoting a FAX 2.0 protocol for fax machines, which would implement some of basic email features already being in email for 20. No, just use email and if your friends do not have it show them how to use it.

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                9 months ago

                Well, if you can convince my carrier to embed XMPP into their texting network, I’d gladly take it over RCS. In practice, you can pick between “works on any phone” and “not designed for carriers”.

                Using the carrier standard is entirely optional. I only use it in extreme circumstances, like with outdated 2FA websites and when half a bar of 2G is all I can get. I like it that the built-in app will have modern features on any modern phone soon, but that’s about all I feel about it.

                If anything, the relative openness of RCS at least lets you write bots and other tools. There are a bunch of open source libraries that can communicate with RCS servers. Can’t say as much with WhatsApp (outside of the EU) and iMessage.