• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Sorry… you want me to provide evidence for something that hasn’t happened yet?

    And you really think that non-medical professionals are just as good at treating mental health problems than medical professionals?

    Are you one of those people who tell people with depression to stop feeling sorry for themselves?

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      6 months ago

      And you really think that non-medical professionals are just as good at treating mental health problems than medical professionals?

      No I am claiming medical professionals and ESPECIALLY the medical industry in all its incredible dysfunction is laughably equipped to create video games that will meaningfully impact people in any fashion.

      Video games are art, you need artists to make them. I am ok with medical professionals being consulted but the way that expertise is valued in modern capitalism you know the artists are going to end up being steamrolled by an inherent bias towards STEM thinking even when the scientists are completely out of their wheelhouse trying to make an interactive work of art.

      I am not anti-science and I would never tell someone with depression to just stop feeling sorry for themselves. I have been hurt way too much from the other side to ever want to do that.

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        6 months ago

        If video games are only art, they cannot treat clinical depression.

        The very fact that there is evidence that they do means that science can be used to determine in what ways they do and design games around methods based on those ways.

        That might involve things like MRIs studies involving playing various games to see what and how the brain of someone with depression reacts to various game conditions and then designing a game which is informed by those MRI results.

        Of course you need artists involved in making games. But that doesn’t mean artists must make games with no assistance from anyone anywhere else. Educational professionals are involved in educational games all the time. And they often educate. Why would getting psychologists involved in mental health games be any different?

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          6 months ago

          If video games are only art, they cannot treat clinical depression.

          Wow…

          This is the same boring argument people make about music theory being so incredibly important to making music that impacts people and yet music theory can only attempt to describe why something worked, it can never provide blueprints for inspiring art that actually changes people.

          This is ultimately the problem with scientific thinking applied to art, science can only ever value what it can measure and the first thing any artist will tell you about making art is that literally every part of the process matters to the end product. Scientists, going into this process with the objective of creating something that will create a specific measurable effect are always going to butcher the whole thing, because they aren’t trained to listen to their subconscious and intuition in the design of subtle elements that don’t seem relevant to the metrics that matter.

          And seriously…. are you honestly making the claim that art made for arts sake cannot help patients treat their clinical depression? Hahahahahaha just ask all the depressed healthcare professionals being brutally exploited and ground down by a for-profit healthcare system what they do after work to help recover their mental health, they binge tv shows made by artists (or play video games :) ).